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« on: January 31, 2008, 11:27:50 AM »

Final round of GBWTCC Radicals season 1.

Wed 6th FEB 08
Qually 30 minutes
Weather random
Laps 12  x2

Quick glance at points table promises some great battles till the end.

As there are some controversies surrounding latest Race07 patch, maybe we should do some testing on Saturday or Sunday?
Also, please don't forget that SimBin suggests to create new player profile after this patch (or delete the old one, and create new one with the same name).

Race reports:

Race1:  http://www.gbsimracing.co.uk/reports/GBWTCC/Radical/S1/Anderstorp1/index.html

Race2:  http://www.gbsimracing.co.uk/reports/GBWTCC/Radical/S1/Anderstorp2/index.html
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« Reply #1 on: January 31, 2008, 12:39:09 PM »

Deleting the old one and re-creating it so that you keep your identity sounds good.   Has anyone done it without problems? 
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« Reply #2 on: January 31, 2008, 12:46:31 PM »

I think you also have to ensure that replays are turned on in your settings - at least until Simbin issue another patch to fix the bugs they introduced with the current one Wink
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« Reply #3 on: February 01, 2008, 06:51:26 PM »

I think you also have to ensure that replays are turned on in your settings - at least until Simbin issue another patch to fix the bugs they introduced with the current one Wink

That's all I did,everything seems to run smoothly   
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« Reply #4 on: February 01, 2008, 07:41:26 PM »

Guys, it's Friday 1 Feb 14:35 ET

When I went into STEAM it did some kind of update.  (I don't know what kind, because when I clicked on the "more information about updates" the newest update was back in November.)

When I saw your server up with Anderstorp, I figured to check out how the Radical handles there, and got "Incompatible Version" after giving the password.  I'm assuming you're going to have to log the server off and back on.

STEAM seems to have plugged in a newer patch today.  Or an update for the most recent one.
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« Reply #5 on: February 01, 2008, 08:06:15 PM »

I am re-starting the server again.

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« Reply #6 on: February 01, 2008, 09:36:17 PM »

Nice one,i might have a look in later tonight and see how the Rad is at Anderstorp,hopefully someone will be there to add my weight penalty to practice with that as well,do i need to install anything at my end for weight penalty? or do you guys take care of all that server-side?,heres hoping this new fix is what we all need and deserve to get on with our racing   .
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« Reply #7 on: February 01, 2008, 09:40:05 PM »

I add the weight manually Gary from the server side but it can only be done if i am on line and have the server program running .

I am trying to work to get it added automatically but i am having difficulty loading any weight file.


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« Reply #8 on: February 01, 2008, 11:32:56 PM »

I add the weight manually Gary from the server side but it can only be done if i am on line and have the server program running .

I am trying to work to get it added automatically but i am having difficulty loading any weight file.


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If you need to save some time while adding weights to all the cars, you are welcome to put my weight into his car.  It will be all right with me.  I won't mind.  And the extra weight will help his car by giving it's tyres more traction. 

Yes, I know it's unselfish of me, but what can I say......  I'll help out any way I can.  'tard!
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« Reply #9 on: February 02, 2008, 02:31:50 PM »

Just had a session around Anders after steam so kindly updated my game  Drink! no problems 

Managed to get down to 1.30.013 with the 205 hp with race fuel  Grin sill some improvement to be had, but I think the big boys are gonna leave us standing around here 
           
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« Reply #10 on: February 05, 2008, 11:10:24 PM »

Latest patch seems to fix bugs introduced by preceding patch for me

I'm about your pace Bill and think us 205 boys can have our own fun, way away from the big boys. Shame this is last Rad race for a bit as they have grown on me.
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« Reply #11 on: February 05, 2008, 11:21:18 PM »

Latest patch seems to fix bugs introduced by preceding patch for me

I'm about your pace Bill and think us 205 boys can have our own fun, way away from the big boys. Shame this is last Rad race for a bit as they have grown on me.

Aye sbg, they're pretty fun... next time though we need to limit the classes/hp that we use, there's just to much performance difference with every car available.
e.g. SR4 252bhp creams the SR3 252bhp by at least half a second at Anderstorp (probably more, I only did 3 laps in SR4 to test...comparing with lots of laps in the SR3, the weight difference/did they change the brakes as well??.... all lead to a massive SR4 advantage).

There, I've got a pre-emptive excuse in for tomorrow night when I get beaten by Gary in his low weight, lower penalty weight SR4   

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« Reply #12 on: February 06, 2008, 12:50:21 AM »

I manage to catch mid 1:27 in SR4 tonight... (1:27.521)
You can see my lap via Time Attack/Online Times/Download Smiley

Tima Attack is fantastic choice for pre-race practice. Racing with ghost car is the best method so far to catch good lap times.
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« Reply #13 on: February 06, 2008, 09:23:05 AM »

This is to say what will happen when we return to the Radicals.

For the second series the wieght you end up with after race 4  is what you start the next season at.
however if you take the car BHP below what you used you can revert to the base weight.

I will review restrictions after the last race and before we start again.


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« Reply #14 on: February 06, 2008, 10:18:59 AM »


Aye sbg, they're pretty fun... next time though we need to limit the classes/hp that we use, there's just to much performance difference with every car available.
e.g. SR4 252bhp creams the SR3 252bhp by at least half a second at Anderstorp (probably more, I only did 3 laps in SR4 to test...comparing with lots of laps in the SR3, the weight difference/did they change the brakes as well??.... all lead to a massive SR4 advantage).

There, I've got a pre-emptive excuse in for tomorrow night when I get beaten by Gary in his low weight, lower penalty weight SR4   


Hehe, I'd like to add something regarding weight penalties:

I did a bit of testing with the ballast tool a while back, results were interesting: 30-40kg on an SR3 costs about 2 seconds a lap at Anderstorp before setup adjustments (i.e. like for like comparison using same setup). After adjustments for weight, the time penalty comes down closer to 1 second. 

However, there is a problem as I see it, and the problem is that damage costs you big time in a Radical especially carrying extra ballast. So if I get punted or hit the back of someone at the start, for example, the effects of aero damage is not only much more hard to predict (I have no idea how fast I can take the next corner until I get there), but depending on how severe it is, it could cost you twice as much time as adding the weight in the first place.

So what am I saying? Well, unfortunately, adding weight to Radicals (and I suspect any aero dependant car) means that you are even more in the hands of luck and what other drivers do around you than you are in the hands of your own skill as a driver.

I think ballast works well in GT, TC and other factory car series because these series start with a heavier production car in the first place and teams strip them down, adding titanium and carbon parts. If you look at it like that then adding ballast to these cars isn’t really adding weight, it’s actually reducing the amount of weight that’s been taken off.

With proto and formula cars you have a situation where the design of the car is already minimal, everything is engineered for light weight, and balance is achieved using aero and high downforce.

Don’t get me wrong, I’m not complaining, just something to think about; the upshot of adding weight to these cars can, under certain circumstances, actually increase the expected penalty making 30kg more like 60kg. 
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